Were you not using the actual product alongside being a validator?
When will the airdrop take place and be visible in our wallets?
Some more details on the token distribution and voting power in this post: SAFE Voting Power and Circulating Supply
yes i thinks thats only fair. People who are staking Gno in their vaults + use the Gnosis chain
What I don’t understand is why gnosis safe still had to rule out users that create safes on Ethereum even after ruling out those that created on other chains including gnosis chain… The whole thing is built to enrich the rich.
If you claim to incentivise users and early supporters then do it properly, over 23000 safe owners on Ethereum including those who have zero record of Sybil where completely wiped out of the list of token recipients, with zero allocation. Why???
For instance the safe team didn’t give a damn about a potential Sybil that could use one address to create 40-50 safes or even more and deposit atleast 0.1 Eth in it to game the system but gave a damn about real users without Sybil activities that created one safe early during the period when gas was extremely at its peak. Their enthusiasm should be rewarded imo.
smartguy how would someone know what the criteria for the airdrop was beforehand?! sounds like a whole nothing-burger. all this complaining about rich get richer like why don’t you come up with a proposal since you’ve got it down-packed.
I believe when SafeDAO was announced, a token was also announced. The snapshot date is the announcement date to prevent sybil attacks based on speculation of an airdrop to users.
Narrowing down the initial airdrop to the Ethereum network (being the oldest) is a smart move. Airdropping the token across multiple chains at launch would have a negative impact on the token, let alone the huge manpower to plan and coordinate that.
Some comments were made on the 2 txn criteria? on thing that might circumvent that requirement could be if u hold ETH in the safe? or had an token sent to the safe but never sent out?
thanks for the detailed explanation. Also I believe that mentioned ETH held per safe over time, so essentially you could’ve moved that ETH alongside performing 2 txs. Hope that helps bud
I second @exa256 and @calchulus request to have stable coin balances included as part of the calculation. A lot of projects keep their treasury in stables to avoid a repeat of the 2018 nightmare where falling ETH prices torpedoed the funding of many new startups.
We could choose something like the top ten USD-pegged stable coins by market cap](https://www.coingecko.com/en/categories/stablecoins) (this also has the benefit of not including algorithmic stables that have recently imploded).
I also agree that including non-stable ERC20s would be unworkable as many projects hold massive amounts of their own (illiquid) token in their treasury – so I’m glad to see those funds are excluded.
In the interest of transparency: I am a core contributor for 1inch Network, but the views in this comment are my own.
Shi Khai & Emerson from LongHash Ventures here. We’re investors in Safe, Safe Guardians, and active long-time users of the product.
Taking a step back, we believe a solid airdrop satisfies 3 aims:
Aim 1: Reward value creators that led to the success of today
We believe the current proposal has satisfied this aim. High-value assets stored and transacted on Safe has signalled confidence that built the network and Lindy effects that have made it the default multisig in Web3 today.
While we could include stables like USDC, USDT, and DAI, we agree with @lukas that it would open a Pandora’s box. i.e. what about FRAX, aUSDC, USDC-DAI LPs?
NFTs and other highly volatile tokens should also be excluded as there is no highly accurate way to value them.
Aim 2: Curate initial community & governance participants in a programmatic way
Any airdrop should also provide potential contributors with a strong vested & economic interest to contribute. These potential participants for Safe could include:
- Power users: Safe owners with high gas spend
- Safe power apps: With gas spend originating from Safes
- DAO experts: Addresses that have submitted proposals for the top 10% of DAOs by treasury volume on Safe
This proposal accounts for power users, and Safe power apps could be curated through the 5% Ecosystem allocation, but DAO experts with a strong track record of governance participation could make a significant impact on Safe in the long run.
Aim 3: Incentivise further contribution to the project DAO
Airdrops can never please everyone. To welcome contributors, however, Safe can open up a reserve amount for further manual retroactive grants. This provides an opportunity for people to make the case for how they have contributed and, importantly, how they will contribute (as per points 1 and 2 above). This can include L2s, as @tschubotz has pointed out.
These grants should be governed by a committee or subDAO, and also serves as the first small step towards decentralized governance for Safe.
In sum, we believe these changes could have a significant impact towards distributing governance power & incentivising contributions for a more actively involved DAO:
- To curate DAO participants in a programmatic way: Account for DAO experts
- To incentivise commitment to DAO contribution: Open a reserve amount for potential contributors
about 3, if Is not transferable, why there is a vesting?
May I ask, wouldnt it be more fair to divide the Safe’s allocation of Tokens amongst the actual users, [The Signers] of the Transactions instead of just sending it all to the Safe address?
I represent 1 of [ about 15-30 ] individuals who were appointed the task of giving out grants in the form of the Audio Token as a part of the A.G.C. [Audio Grant Committee] to help fund Musicians wanting to run a Remix contest on the platform.
We have since then moved to the Solana Blockchain & are not using the same original Multi-Sig Safe we had created. The Safe’s address is eligible for over 3,000 Tokens according to the Google Sheet file.
Tokens were allocated to SAFE directly probably for these reasons:
To give maximum security to the fund. We all use SAFE majorly for the higher security it offers. Why would the team distribute their governance token to a less secure wallets [signers] when a more secure wallet is available?!!
Signers to a SAFE can be as many as possible, the question of which among these signers to distribute to and/or the portion to distribute it will remain unsolved especially when a signer can be changed for various reasons best known to the SAFE owner.
An unwanted scenario is a sacked member for a violent conduct/embezzlement getting reward
Im sure this scenario has rarely ever happened, I just believe the signers should be eligible themselves, in case the Multi-Sig Wallet adress owner decides to keep all the tokens for himself/herself.
I think we should modify the incentive airdrop, as the current allocation will lose a lot of users
Is there an estimated distribution date or vesting?
This has not been communicated yet.
Thanks everyone for the feedback and input! We’ve tried to incorporate as much as possible and I think improved quite a bit on the allocations. Details on the reworked allocations here: New Proposal: Reworked SAFE distribution for users
Date is not yet set.
- 50% will be available immediately.
- 50% is vesting linearly over 4y.
The token can be made transferable if/once the DAO decides to do so. Hence the vesting.