[SEP #3] Towards clarity on milestones before voting on enabling transferability again

Fully agree with your points and about the way you summarise the nature of this proposal.

For the record, I’ll just quote the relevant sections again for clarity:

Of course, the DAO must not ignore the outcome of this proposal and the (if any) set of milestones the winning option includes. Although in principle, any new SEP can change or overrule earlier SEPs, including this one. I see barely any downside or risk in having this proposal with its non-bureaucratic nature, while the upside may be quite substantial from getting clarity on a roadmap and allocation our attention to working on other proposals in the meantime

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Author of OBRA, I’m still here. Waiting for metrics/north stars to be defined/ratified.

After then, will be pushing forward the proposal once other dependencies are settled.

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Sir, this discussion was supposed to end on 11th, after that maybe Snapshot voting will be started, but you are not talking about this, or will it continue like this for 1-2 months?

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The proposal was last changed four days ago - that’s all that matters. The discussion here can go on and the proposal can still go to Snapshot six days after the last change.

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So it’s already possible to make an offer now?

A potential workaround due to ranked choice and other voting strategies not being possible currently is for all 5 milestones to be voted on simultaneously during the same voting period as separate SEPs.

Whichever milestone proposals pass are then the ones followed before the next transferability vote.

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Making large decisions based on the Fear & Greed Index seems risky because market sentiment is highly subjective and can be more volatile than indicator’s such as the total crypto market cap.

The total crypto market cap could be an interesting indicator to agree upon based on a defined data source or set of sources. The question then becomes do we use the average or median total market cap and from which date range do we derive this data from and set as a threshold for “conditions to pass”?

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Agree to your points about an oracle for market sentiment and would stick to the plan to not include an indicator that will always be inaccurately describe reality but discuss market sentiment in real time as part of a future proposal. I believe that strategy found acceptance here over the last two weeks since there was little responses to that, didn’t it?

Concerning the voting system: great arguments again and it’s quite unfortunate that we’re constraint here due to the governance process which only allows single choice voting. Certainly something to fix soon with a proper governance framework.

As of next steps, I won’t upload the proposal to Snapshot myself due to the policy for team members not do to that, but anyone is free to do so. :pray:t2:

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Sir, we are very upset with the market condition, but we are also upset with you, these decisions of yours are very upset us, there are many excuses coming in the token market, the market is bad, we don’t. Token wants to come in this bad market condition. But you and I don’t know when the market will be good, so you didn’t decide to enable token transfer when the market was a little bit better, when you started voting, the market was going. Get worse if there was a big change. If not for the worst case scenario, Token Transfer Enable would have won, although many of us do not support voting, because of the fraud involved. Token equals 2000 to whoever has more. The situation is much worse than before, no one knows what will happen in the future, but my question is, if the market is not good in the next 6 months, will the safe team do business like this, or maybe? Do it, we understand.

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So you don’t get upset and let us tell you not to, decide about it, and fix a date.

Absolutely, it’s SafeDAO voting on it all the way! Signaling a timeline with SEP-3 & potentially soon after bringing another version of SEP-2 up for vote again.

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[SEP #3] “Towards clarity on milestones before voting on enabling transferability again” is now on Snapshot and open for voting until 27 Dec, 11:36 UTC.

https://snapshot.org/#/safe.eth/proposal/0xdcd7f8cb197c7132296d802e538df2a565fbe4f8af400f1afbed06b54a808060

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Following up, this list grew into a more detailed table which we’ll share through a blog post in early January including graphs, analyses and commentary. Since this proposal will have ended by then, the post will also analyse voter participation in SEP-3 next to SEP-1 and -2.

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sir you have already launched the vote in the snapshot, if the 3 option wins then how long will it take to do the work according to your conditions, Hope you don’t have to wait much longer?

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That’s impossible for me to say. It depends how long it takes SafeDAO and everyone here to achieve these milestones.

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It seems to me that people in our community need the opportunity to observe and track the status of the tasks we have chosen as a roadmap.

This is necessary so that people do not feel “lack of information” about the situation. Transparency. Agency. Does anyone have any ideas on how to organise it?

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We (1kx) would like to signal our intent to vote for option #3 of this proposal. Token transferability is a pivotal moment in the creation of a new DAO, and the decision should be undertaken with the utmost care to the state of the organization. A constitution, governance framework, plan for resource allocation, and token utility are all important considerations before proceeding. Similar to how a nation-state would not launch a currency prior to formation of a constitution, we believe that DAOs should look to ratify many of these key components as a community before rushing to enable transferability. Each has a reason for being included as a milestone:

  • A constitution and governance framework will dictate the DAO’s operating model going forward. It’s best to get this decided upfront with the stakeholders that have been purposely selected to receive non-transferable tokens for their contributions to the Safe ecosystem to-date before DAO membership becomes more fluid.
  • A resource allocation plan will decide appropriate expenditures and policies. It’s not news to anyone that ongoing sustainability is a core challenge within DAOs, especially when policies are undefined. Before potentially becoming clouded by market-assigned values, we should seek to build a framework from first principles.
  • Utility will underlie the inherent value of the token network post-transferability. Without an understanding of how the token will be integrated and used throughout the Safe ecosystem, it will have no clear purpose. We want to ensure that the long-term value and vision is appropriately communicated to the broader community before the token goes live.

Additionally, we believe transparency is fundamental to the proper functioning of a DAO, so going forward we’ll signal how we plan to vote in advance and publicly provide our rationale. We hope this results in other large token holders doing the same so that we can bridge the information chasm between stakeholders and build a stronger community founded on trust. We encourage public discourse and will make our intent known as soon as possible within the decision-making process so that we can collectively collaborate on the best outcome for the DAO.

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Thanks for making this exemplary steps. It is indeed a bold and thoughtful move.

I hope other large token holders could follow this pattern till transferability is enabled which will make the token to be balanced in the interested hands

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I don’t seem to see the relevant proposal of Milestone C-D-E,we should establish relevant discussions on these issues

Expressing opinion as regard to the relevance of Milestones is good but I guess this is late already as the #proposals:seps 3 has already been voted and passed with Option 3: All Milestones being favoured.

I personally think what needs to be criticized is the fact after 1 month this #SEP 3 has passed, none of the Milestones stated has left a proposal stage to SEP talkless of going to the main field (snapshot)

If we are moving at this pace, I don’t see all these Milestones completing till October.

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